Comments on: “The fact that something grosses you out doesn’t make it wrong” http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2008/04/25/the-fact-that-something-grosses-you-out-doesnt-make-it-wrong/ Now This Is The Real World! Where Theology and Real Life Meet. Fri, 16 May 2008 06:24:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: David http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2008/04/25/the-fact-that-something-grosses-you-out-doesnt-make-it-wrong/#comment-764947 David Thu, 01 May 2008 13:23:00 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/?p=1429#comment-764947 BL - I recall an old Star Trek episode (to which I don't generally make reference as a source of wisdom) in which Spock observes that a sane man in an insane world cannot help but appear insane. I suspect that this must be at play in your case. No my friend, Christianity is not "all about accepting others and being non-judgmental." Christianity is all about man glorifying God and as St. Athanasius says, the glory of God is man fully alive. In other words, Christianity is all about man being saved from his fallen state of sin and being transformed by cooperating with the blood of the Cross into holy women and men. Man has the faculty to make judgments. In fact, he has to make judgments. Your self-contradictory statement exemplifies this truth. You have taken your erroneous premise (the meaning of Christianity) and applied it to a statement (the post or the first comment, I'm not sure which) and made a judgment about the conformance of the statement and so the person as failing to accord with "Christian values." You thus have judged both an action and a person. Something you seem to suggest that one cannot do if he is to be a Christian. I suspect that you are making reference to well misunderstood pericope from Mt 7:1-5 (or parallels). Here indeed, Jesus says judge not and you will not be judged. However, one must be careful to understand what Jesus means by the context (a text taken out of context is usually a pretext). Jesus goes on to say that one must recognize the log in his own eye in comparison to the speck in his brothers eye. He says that when one does see that he is perhaps a greater sinner than the one whom he wishes to correct, then he will be in a position to correct his brother. The point is that Christianity is all about not ignoring sin but recognizing sin and turning away from it and to be a Christian is to be ready and willing to gently and lovingly correct a brother in sin. The judging Jesus is talking about is the condemnation of the soul of another. That is not a Christian's job. In fact, he must not do this. But one must be able to condemn the sin. That is what St. Augustine said: hate the sin but love the sinner. I would offer back to you that you will not be able to embody authentic Christian "values" until you reassess your own views. BL -

I recall an old Star Trek episode (to which I don’t generally make reference as a source of wisdom) in which Spock observes that a sane man in an insane world cannot help but appear insane. I suspect that this must be at play in your case.

No my friend, Christianity is not “all about accepting others and being non-judgmental.” Christianity is all about man glorifying God and as St. Athanasius says, the glory of God is man fully alive. In other words, Christianity is all about man being saved from his fallen state of sin and being transformed by cooperating with the blood of the Cross into holy women and men.

Man has the faculty to make judgments. In fact, he has to make judgments. Your self-contradictory statement exemplifies this truth. You have taken your erroneous premise (the meaning of Christianity) and applied it to a statement (the post or the first comment, I’m not sure which) and made a judgment about the conformance of the statement and so the person as failing to accord with “Christian values.” You thus have judged both an action and a person. Something you seem to suggest that one cannot do if he is to be a Christian.

I suspect that you are making reference to well misunderstood pericope from Mt 7:1-5 (or parallels). Here indeed, Jesus says judge not and you will not be judged. However, one must be careful to understand what Jesus means by the context (a text taken out of context is usually a pretext). Jesus goes on to say that one must recognize the log in his own eye in comparison to the speck in his brothers eye. He says that when one does see that he is perhaps a greater sinner than the one whom he wishes to correct, then he will be in a position to correct his brother. The point is that Christianity is all about not ignoring sin but recognizing sin and turning away from it and to be a Christian is to be ready and willing to gently and lovingly correct a brother in sin.

The judging Jesus is talking about is the condemnation of the soul of another. That is not a Christian’s job. In fact, he must not do this. But one must be able to condemn the sin. That is what St. Augustine said: hate the sin but love the sinner.

I would offer back to you that you will not be able to embody authentic Christian “values” until you reassess your own views.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2008/04/25/the-fact-that-something-grosses-you-out-doesnt-make-it-wrong/#comment-764924 Elizabeth Thu, 01 May 2008 13:07:17 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/?p=1429#comment-764924 Have you read the Catechism? This teaching is not something the church has made up on it's own; nor is it individual emotions. To be accepting is to tell the Truth. You do no one any favors by letting them wallow in their sin. Any sexual intercourse outside the bonds of marriage is a mortal sin. Whether it is as God designed the body, male and female, or whether it is any aborration of the act. Marriage is for the unity of the male and female and procreation of children. Without this aspect, ei sterilization or contraception, it is not a marriage in the sense that God intended it to be. Christianity is telling the truth, in season and out of season. Have you read the Catechism? This teaching is not something the church has made up on it’s own; nor is it individual emotions. To be accepting is to tell the Truth. You do no one any favors by letting them wallow in their sin. Any sexual intercourse outside the bonds of marriage is a mortal sin. Whether it is as God designed the body, male and female, or whether it is any aborration of the act. Marriage is for the unity of the male and female and procreation of children. Without this aspect, ei sterilization or contraception, it is not a marriage in the sense that God intended it to be.

Christianity is telling the truth, in season and out of season.

]]> By: BL http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2008/04/25/the-fact-that-something-grosses-you-out-doesnt-make-it-wrong/#comment-763867 BL Thu, 01 May 2008 00:21:43 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/?p=1429#comment-763867 You are absolutely insane. Isn't Christianity all about accepting others and being non-judgmental. You, my friend, cannot embody these Christian values until you reassess your views. You are absolutely insane. Isn’t Christianity all about accepting others and being non-judgmental. You, my friend, cannot embody these Christian values until you reassess your views.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2008/04/25/the-fact-that-something-grosses-you-out-doesnt-make-it-wrong/#comment-754355 Elizabeth Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:57:12 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/?p=1429#comment-754355 I am sooo glad to see that Aquinas has recended his invitation. Last fall, while on campus to set up for 40 Days for Life Rally we were hit in the face with a poster proclaiming that everyone should come out of the closet and show the world their alternate lifestyle. I was appalled that the school that took my money via my child's tuition could be so inclusive to someone who is on the opposite side of Church teaching. I am sooo glad to see that Aquinas has recended his invitation. Last fall, while on campus to set up for 40 Days for Life Rally we were hit in the face with a poster proclaiming that everyone should come out of the closet and show the world their alternate lifestyle. I was appalled that the school that took my money via my child’s tuition could be so inclusive to someone who is on the opposite side of Church teaching.

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