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	<title>Comments on: Faith, Reason and the Miraculous</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - thanks for the heads up to your post.

Scott - in the end, perhaps the issue is over the definitions of the terms "verify" and "miracle" then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike - thanks for the heads up to your post.</p>
<p>Scott - in the end, perhaps the issue is over the definitions of the terms &#8220;verify&#8221; and &#8220;miracle&#8221; then?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very nice post!

I would not go so far as to say that "verifying" miracles is a "waste of time". I do think that it is impossible to verify a miracle, but I think that because I think that it is literally impossible to verify &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; hypothesis in a strong sense. Even in the sciences we do not say that evidence "verifies" a hypothesis, we say only that the evidence is, so far, consistent with a given hypothesis.

So to the extent that we "look for signs", we are not wasting our time if we understand that the signs will not "verify" in the strong sense. What we can get from the miraculous, if the miraculous is understood in the sense I argued for in my post, is a sense of God's presence in our lives. My view is that we do not need empirical evidence for that sort of sense, that way of "seeing" the world, and I'm quite certain that empirical evidence is not up to providing that for us even were we to need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very nice post!</p>
<p>I would not go so far as to say that &#8220;verifying&#8221; miracles is a &#8220;waste of time&#8221;. I do think that it is impossible to verify a miracle, but I think that because I think that it is literally impossible to verify <i>any</i> hypothesis in a strong sense. Even in the sciences we do not say that evidence &#8220;verifies&#8221; a hypothesis, we say only that the evidence is, so far, consistent with a given hypothesis.</p>
<p>So to the extent that we &#8220;look for signs&#8221;, we are not wasting our time if we understand that the signs will not &#8220;verify&#8221; in the strong sense. What we can get from the miraculous, if the miraculous is understood in the sense I argued for in my post, is a sense of God&#8217;s presence in our lives. My view is that we do not need empirical evidence for that sort of sense, that way of &#8220;seeing&#8221; the world, and I&#8217;m quite certain that empirical evidence is not up to providing that for us even were we to need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:

Your last paragraph sounds pretty similar to the main point I have made in &lt;a href="http://mliccione.blogspot.com/2008/03/miraculous-and-explanatory.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;my latest reply to Scott&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks!

Best,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:</p>
<p>Your last paragraph sounds pretty similar to the main point I have made in <a href="http://mliccione.blogspot.com/2008/03/miraculous-and-explanatory.html" rel="nofollow">my latest reply to Scott</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Mike</p>
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