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	<title>Comments on: Is the Boston Archdiocese Letting Heretics Invade Its Seminary?</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynne, I think another good read is People of the Lie by M Scott Peck.  The last chapter discusses group evil.  I think some of the answers to my questions lie there.  

I just think that until we as laity in the church don't demand a further discussion about these issues, this evil may go underground for a while but raise its ugly head once again.  I find it necessary to continue probing the questions until we have truth forums like they had in South Africa....so we can get to the real truths...who knew what when and what they did or didn't do.  Only then will we be able to really set up systems that will help us have confidence that our children are safe in church. 

It is all so terribly sad.  It truly breaks my heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynne, I think another good read is People of the Lie by M Scott Peck.  The last chapter discusses group evil.  I think some of the answers to my questions lie there.  </p>
<p>I just think that until we as laity in the church don&#8217;t demand a further discussion about these issues, this evil may go underground for a while but raise its ugly head once again.  I find it necessary to continue probing the questions until we have truth forums like they had in South Africa&#8230;.so we can get to the real truths&#8230;who knew what when and what they did or didn&#8217;t do.  Only then will we be able to really set up systems that will help us have confidence that our children are safe in church. </p>
<p>It is all so terribly sad.  It truly breaks my heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, your conclusion that homosexual men entered the priesthood so as not to have to tell their family could certainly be correct. I think it may also be that these guys were trying to deny their homosexuality....so they "escaped" to the priesthood...thinking they'd get away from the temptation.  Instead, they often found they were being seduced by their teachers and mentors at the seminary.  
 But that doesn't explain abuse of girls or very young boys.  And both those things happened a lot. I know many many women who were abused by priests when they were teens and younger.  Maybe not in as great a number as abuse of teen age boys....but think about who the priests and seminarians had access to? Boys beginning at the age of about 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, your conclusion that homosexual men entered the priesthood so as not to have to tell their family could certainly be correct. I think it may also be that these guys were trying to deny their homosexuality&#8230;.so they &#8220;escaped&#8221; to the priesthood&#8230;thinking they&#8217;d get away from the temptation.  Instead, they often found they were being seduced by their teachers and mentors at the seminary.<br />
 But that doesn&#8217;t explain abuse of girls or very young boys.  And both those things happened a lot. I know many many women who were abused by priests when they were teens and younger.  Maybe not in as great a number as abuse of teen age boys&#8230;.but think about who the priests and seminarians had access to? Boys beginning at the age of about 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, the questions you're asking can't be answered in a combox.  Read Goodbye Good Men by Michael Rose or better still The Rite of Sodomy by Randy Engel.

At an even higher level, you're asking why there is evil in this world (hint:original sin). Find video/audio recordings by Father Corapi and watch/listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, the questions you&#8217;re asking can&#8217;t be answered in a combox.  Read Goodbye Good Men by Michael Rose or better still The Rite of Sodomy by Randy Engel.</p>
<p>At an even higher level, you&#8217;re asking why there is evil in this world (hint:original sin). Find video/audio recordings by Father Corapi and watch/listen.</p>
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		<title>By: bill bannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill bannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary's noting of the fact that sexual abuse started earlier than the 60's is a good point...and many if not most of the abusers were up there in age.  I had no insight into the why of this until a very "in the world" non intellectual type guy I knew blurted out something quite fascinating:  " they were homosexual in generations that could not easily come out of the closet to their parents...and they were from families who would always keep asking them why they were not getting married and raising a family...so they went into the priesthood and all those pressures were solved and went away."
  Most of the abuse was not pedaphilia...but seduction of teenagers also and that too fits with this guys insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary&#8217;s noting of the fact that sexual abuse started earlier than the 60&#8217;s is a good point&#8230;and many if not most of the abusers were up there in age.  I had no insight into the why of this until a very &#8220;in the world&#8221; non intellectual type guy I knew blurted out something quite fascinating:  &#8221; they were homosexual in generations that could not easily come out of the closet to their parents&#8230;and they were from families who would always keep asking them why they were not getting married and raising a family&#8230;so they went into the priesthood and all those pressures were solved and went away.&#8221;<br />
  Most of the abuse was not pedaphilia&#8230;but seduction of teenagers also and that too fits with this guys insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to include in my last post...I'm a lifelong Catholic, mother of three, grandmother of two.  I just don't understand how children were so terribly hurt and so many people watched it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to include in my last post&#8230;I&#8217;m a lifelong Catholic, mother of three, grandmother of two.  I just don&#8217;t understand how children were so terribly hurt and so many people watched it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fr. Philip, sometimes it feels like some priests did grow you in pods. :) I meant no offense.  I honestly wonder what created the fact that so many priests did nothing while children were being abused.  Growing up in pods might just answer that question. 

I'd love any insight from an insider as to how this could have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr. Philip, sometimes it feels like some priests did grow you in pods. <img src='http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I meant no offense.  I honestly wonder what created the fact that so many priests did nothing while children were being abused.  Growing up in pods might just answer that question. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love any insight from an insider as to how this could have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: PNP, OP</title>
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		<dc:creator>PNP, OP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,

I had a life...yes, a "Real Life"...long before I entered seminary.  They don't grow us in pods at the bottom of the ocean and float us up for theological training, ya know.  

Fr. Philip, OP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>I had a life&#8230;yes, a &#8220;Real Life&#8221;&#8230;long before I entered seminary.  They don&#8217;t grow us in pods at the bottom of the ocean and float us up for theological training, ya know.  </p>
<p>Fr. Philip, OP</p>
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		<title>By: monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,

The thing that perplexes me is the suggestion that a few years in seminary in an exclusive environment somehow over-rides the years of growing up in a "real people" family, going to school for 12 years with other "real people". More likely, which I will touch on later, is that the conditions that make one a sex-abuser were there long before entering seminary.

The other point that sticks out to me is the idea that the laity should see the priesthood as not a superior, but different way of serving. Why in the world would we want to do that? I think I understand your point, but you may want to articulate it a little bit differently. The priesthood absolutely is an elevated and higher calling. Maybe what you meant to say was that priests, themselves, are not superior to anyone else? Clericalism is a real danger, but so is the non-chalance of diminishing the priestly vocation. 

Finally, sex abuse is a sickening evil that is rampant throughout all sectors of our society. If you (anyone, not you in particular) investigate the support groups for victims of sexual abuse, you'll see that all kinds of people from every different background abuse those around them. It's time we looked into the soul of America - as a whole - and not single out the priesthood and seminaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>The thing that perplexes me is the suggestion that a few years in seminary in an exclusive environment somehow over-rides the years of growing up in a &#8220;real people&#8221; family, going to school for 12 years with other &#8220;real people&#8221;. More likely, which I will touch on later, is that the conditions that make one a sex-abuser were there long before entering seminary.</p>
<p>The other point that sticks out to me is the idea that the laity should see the priesthood as not a superior, but different way of serving. Why in the world would we want to do that? I think I understand your point, but you may want to articulate it a little bit differently. The priesthood absolutely is an elevated and higher calling. Maybe what you meant to say was that priests, themselves, are not superior to anyone else? Clericalism is a real danger, but so is the non-chalance of diminishing the priestly vocation. </p>
<p>Finally, sex abuse is a sickening evil that is rampant throughout all sectors of our society. If you (anyone, not you in particular) investigate the support groups for victims of sexual abuse, you&#8217;ll see that all kinds of people from every different background abuse those around them. It&#8217;s time we looked into the soul of America - as a whole - and not single out the priesthood and seminaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to keep in mind that the Jay Report covered a specific point in time: 2002. It was produced not to study the problem of clergy sexual activity in its entirety (it didn't touch consensual adult sex)  but only to outline for the bishops potential liability in the legal arena. Many victims who were abused before the early 60's were dead when Jay reporters came calling. Mary is correct to be skeptical.

The last time I noticed, the staff of CLS wasn't an ecclesiastical court. You have to prove heresy, my friends. Lacking proof, this post is little better than a puerile attempt at name-calling. Y'all can do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to keep in mind that the Jay Report covered a specific point in time: 2002. It was produced not to study the problem of clergy sexual activity in its entirety (it didn&#8217;t touch consensual adult sex)  but only to outline for the bishops potential liability in the legal arena. Many victims who were abused before the early 60&#8217;s were dead when Jay reporters came calling. Mary is correct to be skeptical.</p>
<p>The last time I noticed, the staff of CLS wasn&#8217;t an ecclesiastical court. You have to prove heresy, my friends. Lacking proof, this post is little better than a puerile attempt at name-calling. Y&#8217;all can do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, have you read "Goodbye Good Men" by Michael Rose?  This excerpt is especially germane to what is happening at St John's Seminary.  It just got cleaned up and it's being dragged back down again...

"The trouble starts in the seminary, and gross sexual immorality and the protective network formed around that immorality is only one of the major issues that needs to be forthrightly addressed by the shepherds of the Catholic Church, as Goodbye, Good  Men reveals. The fact is that many qualified candidates for the priesthood have been turned away for political reasons over the past three decades. Systematic, ideological discrimination has been practiced against seminarians who uphold Catholic teaching on sexuality and other issues; dissenters from Catholic teaching—including teaching on homosexuality—have been rewarded.

Goodbye, Good Men exposes this corruption: the deliberate infiltration of Catholic seminaries by what Andrew Greeley has dubbed the "Lavender Mafia," a clique of homosexual dilettantes, along with an underground of liberal faculty members determined to change the doctrines, disciplines, and mission of the Catholic Church from within. Through the seminaries, liberals have brought a moral meltdown into the Catholic priesthood. If the sex scandals that have rocked the Catholic Church are to end, the individuals responsible for this moral meltdown must be rooted out. Only then will the "dark shadow of suspicion" be removed from "all the other fine priests who perform their ministry with honesty and integrity and often with heroic self-sacrifice."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, have you read &#8220;Goodbye Good Men&#8221; by Michael Rose?  This excerpt is especially germane to what is happening at St John&#8217;s Seminary.  It just got cleaned up and it&#8217;s being dragged back down again&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The trouble starts in the seminary, and gross sexual immorality and the protective network formed around that immorality is only one of the major issues that needs to be forthrightly addressed by the shepherds of the Catholic Church, as Goodbye, Good  Men reveals. The fact is that many qualified candidates for the priesthood have been turned away for political reasons over the past three decades. Systematic, ideological discrimination has been practiced against seminarians who uphold Catholic teaching on sexuality and other issues; dissenters from Catholic teaching—including teaching on homosexuality—have been rewarded.</p>
<p>Goodbye, Good Men exposes this corruption: the deliberate infiltration of Catholic seminaries by what Andrew Greeley has dubbed the &#8220;Lavender Mafia,&#8221; a clique of homosexual dilettantes, along with an underground of liberal faculty members determined to change the doctrines, disciplines, and mission of the Catholic Church from within. Through the seminaries, liberals have brought a moral meltdown into the Catholic priesthood. If the sex scandals that have rocked the Catholic Church are to end, the individuals responsible for this moral meltdown must be rooted out. Only then will the &#8220;dark shadow of suspicion&#8221; be removed from &#8220;all the other fine priests who perform their ministry with honesty and integrity and often with heroic self-sacrifice.&#8221;</p>
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