Comments on: Organic Development of the Liturgy http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/ Now This Is The Real World! Where Theology and Real Life Meet. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:49:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: dad29 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-173816 dad29 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:53:03 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/#comment-173816 You can find the article, but it's "cached." A little Googling will help, or since I fixed the link on my blog, you can find it there: http://dad29.blogspot.com/2007/06/alcuin-reed-on-liturgical-reform.html Click on the internal link to find the article. You can find the article, but it’s “cached.” A little Googling will help, or since I fixed the link on my blog, you can find it there:

http://dad29.blogspot.com/2007/06/alcuin-reed-on-liturgical-reform.html

Click on the internal link to find the article.

]]> By: jds http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-170080 jds Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:49:22 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/#comment-170080 I'm having trouble with the link to the article - any suggestions? I’m having trouble with the link to the article - any suggestions?

]]> By: dad29 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-167532 dad29 Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:38:08 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/#comment-167532 "There were signficant numbers of documents coming from the Consilium and the pope in the 60’s, <i>and organic development was not considered a benchmark of the early post-conciliar years."</i> Precisely the point of the entire article, which I'm certain you read carefully. It is passing strange that you take the Judgment Seat to declare that the Fathers of the Council's requirement for "organic development" is a weak argument. It's also somewhat odd that you ignore the "organic development" of the Roman Missal prior to AND following Trent. “There were signficant numbers of documents coming from the Consilium and the pope in the 60’s, and organic development was not considered a benchmark of the early post-conciliar years.”

Precisely the point of the entire article, which I’m certain you read carefully.

It is passing strange that you take the Judgment Seat to declare that the Fathers of the Council’s requirement for “organic development” is a weak argument.

It’s also somewhat odd that you ignore the “organic development” of the Roman Missal prior to AND following Trent.

]]> By: Todd http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-167500 Todd Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:07:56 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/06/08/organic-development-of-the-liturgy/#comment-167500 The appeal of some to organic development strikes me as a little weak. It was mentioned all of once in Sacrosanctum Concilium. There were signficant numbers of documents coming from the Consilium and the pope in the 60's, and organic development was not considered a benchmark of the early post-conciliar years. Many traditionalists eschew the principle. They resisted it before the Council, criticizing the insertion of St Joseph into the anaphora as an intrusion along the line of adding a new book to the Bible. That said, I would gladly admit that the principle of gradual development was overlooked. We know from experience and hearsay that implementing liturgical reforms in parishes and dioceses was poorly done. If liturgical reform was more than pastorally blundered, I would be interested to see how advocates of the 1570/1962 Missal might undertake the clarion call of Vatican II and get to work on the traditional liturgy. The world's bishops were in near unaminous agreement that the liturgy needed a lot of attention and work in 1962. Today, there is nothing near consensus on either the current Roman Missal or the place for the old one. I think our crisis is less one of malaise than one of polarization and politics. The appeal of some to organic development strikes me as a little weak. It was mentioned all of once in Sacrosanctum Concilium. There were signficant numbers of documents coming from the Consilium and the pope in the 60’s, and organic development was not considered a benchmark of the early post-conciliar years.

Many traditionalists eschew the principle. They resisted it before the Council, criticizing the insertion of St Joseph into the anaphora as an intrusion along the line of adding a new book to the Bible.

That said, I would gladly admit that the principle of gradual development was overlooked. We know from experience and hearsay that implementing liturgical reforms in parishes and dioceses was poorly done.

If liturgical reform was more than pastorally blundered, I would be interested to see how advocates of the 1570/1962 Missal might undertake the clarion call of Vatican II and get to work on the traditional liturgy. The world’s bishops were in near unaminous agreement that the liturgy needed a lot of attention and work in 1962. Today, there is nothing near consensus on either the current Roman Missal or the place for the old one.

I think our crisis is less one of malaise than one of polarization and politics.

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