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		<title>By: John Bambenek</title>
		<link>http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/03/15/sex-on-campus/#comment-68465</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bambenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article mentioned by David is from the same person who sent me a candidate survey (I'm running for school board) from the Coalition for Comprehensive Sex Education, an outgrowth of Planned Parenthood.

Her original letter was 600 words long (300 word limit) but even that letter didn't make that much sense.  What the bigger letter did show was that it was a hit piece designed to attack my campaign.  (See my response to their survey &lt;a href="http://www.parttimepundit.com/archives/2545" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).

Basically, because I don't think all children should be forced through comprehensive sex ed at age 6 even over the objection of parents, I'm really trying to control women's bodies.  Go figure.  Just thought the connection between the letter writer and the campaign for thorough training in sexual technique was interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article mentioned by David is from the same person who sent me a candidate survey (I&#8217;m running for school board) from the Coalition for Comprehensive Sex Education, an outgrowth of Planned Parenthood.</p>
<p>Her original letter was 600 words long (300 word limit) but even that letter didn&#8217;t make that much sense.  What the bigger letter did show was that it was a hit piece designed to attack my campaign.  (See my response to their survey <a href="http://www.parttimepundit.com/archives/2545" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
<p>Basically, because I don&#8217;t think all children should be forced through comprehensive sex ed at age 6 even over the objection of parents, I&#8217;m really trying to control women&#8217;s bodies.  Go figure.  Just thought the connection between the letter writer and the campaign for thorough training in sexual technique was interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: corita</title>
		<link>http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2007/03/15/sex-on-campus/#comment-67299</link>
		<dc:creator>corita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I did read the part about shame in ToB.  It fascinated me because I was always someone who had few inhibitions.  Then, after some serious soul-searching and prayer, I had a "paring back" of my lifestyle.  Soon, during my courtship with my now-husband, I found myself overwhelmed with an unfamiliar modesty-- it touched all parts of my speech, thoughts, and actions.  I think that there was a spiritual growth there, something like what JPII was trying to get at -- although "shame" is such a laden word that it might not be very useful in some discussions without further qualification.  I myself have some hesitancy about the way dear beloved JP talks about it; "shame" strikes me as a society's encoding of a natural-law type phenomenon of behavior, the basis of which is something that is not shame, but a recognition of (as he well puts it) the proper relationship of people, in their physicality, to one another's dignity.  (I am not sure I explained that well; it is the first time I ever tried to epress that thught.)

Anyway, these types of events (as too with Vagina Monologues), I think, make a cause-effect connection between fear and shame over the female body, and hatred of women/violence against them.  But that is too easy.  For example, it raises the question: which causes which?  The vast potential for sin, and its numerous effects on the world, makes this too difficult to give a blanket answer.

Perhaps, as you say, some people are demanding unequivocal acceptance of their desires.  Perhaps this is due to the perverse way, I think, in which we human beings try to drown out our consciences with an even louder clamor of our increased sin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did read the part about shame in ToB.  It fascinated me because I was always someone who had few inhibitions.  Then, after some serious soul-searching and prayer, I had a &#8220;paring back&#8221; of my lifestyle.  Soon, during my courtship with my now-husband, I found myself overwhelmed with an unfamiliar modesty&#8211; it touched all parts of my speech, thoughts, and actions.  I think that there was a spiritual growth there, something like what JPII was trying to get at &#8212; although &#8220;shame&#8221; is such a laden word that it might not be very useful in some discussions without further qualification.  I myself have some hesitancy about the way dear beloved JP talks about it; &#8220;shame&#8221; strikes me as a society&#8217;s encoding of a natural-law type phenomenon of behavior, the basis of which is something that is not shame, but a recognition of (as he well puts it) the proper relationship of people, in their physicality, to one another&#8217;s dignity.  (I am not sure I explained that well; it is the first time I ever tried to epress that thught.)</p>
<p>Anyway, these types of events (as too with Vagina Monologues), I think, make a cause-effect connection between fear and shame over the female body, and hatred of women/violence against them.  But that is too easy.  For example, it raises the question: which causes which?  The vast potential for sin, and its numerous effects on the world, makes this too difficult to give a blanket answer.</p>
<p>Perhaps, as you say, some people are demanding unequivocal acceptance of their desires.  Perhaps this is due to the perverse way, I think, in which we human beings try to drown out our consciences with an even louder clamor of our increased sin!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corita,

John Paul the Great has an excellent analysis of shame in his theology of the body catecheses.  Shame has the important purpose of hiding those aspects of the body in which sexual value is most invested and cause each sex to objectify the other person.  As with the rest of these events, the purveyors of the ridiculous are oblivious to the reality of the fallen human person.  They actually work at cross purposes to their stated intentions.

However, another possibility is that they are simply unwilling to acknowledge that there are negative consequences for certain actions and proceed to make Quixote-like demands that their desires be accepted without any attendant consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corita,</p>
<p>John Paul the Great has an excellent analysis of shame in his theology of the body catecheses.  Shame has the important purpose of hiding those aspects of the body in which sexual value is most invested and cause each sex to objectify the other person.  As with the rest of these events, the purveyors of the ridiculous are oblivious to the reality of the fallen human person.  They actually work at cross purposes to their stated intentions.</p>
<p>However, another possibility is that they are simply unwilling to acknowledge that there are negative consequences for certain actions and proceed to make Quixote-like demands that their desires be accepted without any attendant consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: corita</title>
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		<dc:creator>corita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually suspect that hype over female genitalia has the ultimate end than it is trying to accomplish.  

The purpose, I think, is to make people "face" it (the anatomy of the woman), in order to eliminate shame, and then this will eliminate hatred/objectification of women (via the love of genitals). At least this is the argument behind The Vagina Monologues.

But how can focusing on one part of the woman's body be the best way to stop the objectification of women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually suspect that hype over female genitalia has the ultimate end than it is trying to accomplish.  </p>
<p>The purpose, I think, is to make people &#8220;face&#8221; it (the anatomy of the woman), in order to eliminate shame, and then this will eliminate hatred/objectification of women (via the love of genitals). At least this is the argument behind The Vagina Monologues.</p>
<p>But how can focusing on one part of the woman&#8217;s body be the best way to stop the objectification of women?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder - thanks! the Observer article is very much worth the post.

Mary Martha - Thanks for the note.  I will pass your comments on to Dawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder - thanks! the Observer article is very much worth the post.</p>
<p>Mary Martha - Thanks for the note.  I will pass your comments on to Dawn.</p>
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		<title>By: mary martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drove down from Chicago for the talk and was very impressed with both Dawn's talk and the Newman Center.  I am glad to hear that the SOL table was a success the next day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drove down from Chicago for the talk and was very impressed with both Dawn&#8217;s talk and the Newman Center.  I am glad to hear that the SOL table was a success the next day.</p>
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		<title>By: Wondertwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wondertwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David.  In the way of links to articles... &lt;a href="http://media.www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/storage/paper660/news/2007/03/09/Viewpoint/The-Death.Of.Catholic.Culture-2770300.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;this editorial&lt;/a&gt; appeared in the University of Notre Dame's paper, the Observer the other day.  I thought you might be interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David.  In the way of links to articles&#8230; <a href="http://media.www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/storage/paper660/news/2007/03/09/Viewpoint/The-Death.Of.Catholic.Culture-2770300.shtml" rel="nofollow">this editorial</a> appeared in the University of Notre Dame&#8217;s paper, the Observer the other day.  I thought you might be interested.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh - thanks! 

Wonder - there is a link to both of the articles.  I think that you are correct in terms of knee jerk reactions.  This is not unusual for especially young people. What is particularly sad is the student newspaper which is supposed to be preparing students to be journalists  prints such nonsensical garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh - thanks! </p>
<p>Wonder - there is a link to both of the articles.  I think that you are correct in terms of knee jerk reactions.  This is not unusual for especially young people. What is particularly sad is the student newspaper which is supposed to be preparing students to be journalists  prints such nonsensical garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Wondertwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wondertwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So those blocked quotes there actually follow one another in the editorial?  I'm as confused as you are - especially on the first quote there.  I'm not impressed by the response of SOL to Dawn's table.  Knee-jerk reactions like that rarely get my respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So those blocked quotes there actually follow one another in the editorial?  I&#8217;m as confused as you are - especially on the first quote there.  I&#8217;m not impressed by the response of SOL to Dawn&#8217;s table.  Knee-jerk reactions like that rarely get my respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the the Chief issue is decided, I'm glad I can ignore the DI and its (mostly) worthless student op-eds.

Good for Dawn and the Newmanites! They're bright lights on a campus that can, at times, appear very dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the the Chief issue is decided, I&#8217;m glad I can ignore the DI and its (mostly) worthless student op-eds.</p>
<p>Good for Dawn and the Newmanites! They&#8217;re bright lights on a campus that can, at times, appear very dark.</p>
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