Comments on: “Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests” http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2006/09/30/pope-played-a-leading-role-in-a-systematic-cover-up-of-child-sex-abuse-by-roman-catholic-priests/ Now This Is The Real World! Where Theology and Real Life Meet. Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:23:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: David http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2006/09/30/pope-played-a-leading-role-in-a-systematic-cover-up-of-child-sex-abuse-by-roman-catholic-priests/#comment-9800 David Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:24:05 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/?p=826#comment-9800 Todd - your responses have a certain consistency to them. They are at best tortuous in logic but more likely, non sequiturs. Anti-Catholicism is nothing new and there will always be sinful Catholics who will give agenda driven people plenty of opportunity to display their bigotry. Because anti-Catholicism is a time honored Anglo-American institution they will always find a certain resonance with the public. In choosing His Apostles, Jesus showed us that we ought not expect to be free of Judas priests in any age. However, the sinful failures of the very few, as unexcusable as they may be, does not justify painting all bishops/priests or the office as an institution as untrustworthy and certainly it does not justify this libel against the Holy Father. Shelray is right, these anti-hierarchical axe-grinders are disingenous and self-serving slanderers. I find your comments seem to display some of the same anti-hierarchical bias and to the degree that they do, they are at least as seamy as the history that they attempt to assail. Todd - your responses have a certain consistency to them. They are at best tortuous in logic but more likely, non sequiturs.

Anti-Catholicism is nothing new and there will always be sinful Catholics who will give agenda driven people plenty of opportunity to display their bigotry. Because anti-Catholicism is a time honored Anglo-American institution they will always find a certain resonance with the public.

In choosing His Apostles, Jesus showed us that we ought not expect to be free of Judas priests in any age. However, the sinful failures of the very few, as unexcusable as they may be, does not justify painting all bishops/priests or the office as an institution as untrustworthy and certainly it does not justify this libel against the Holy Father.

Shelray is right, these anti-hierarchical axe-grinders are disingenous and self-serving slanderers. I find your comments seem to display some of the same anti-hierarchical bias and to the degree that they do, they are at least as seamy as the history that they attempt to assail.

]]> By: shelray http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2006/09/30/pope-played-a-leading-role-in-a-systematic-cover-up-of-child-sex-abuse-by-roman-catholic-priests/#comment-9799 shelray Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:04:00 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/?p=826#comment-9799 Todd, With many newer Bishops being named by our last 2 popes, maybe our Church will begin to heal from the damage done during the last 40 years or so. I agree with your take on arguments over who scourged Christ more deeply, it isn't very seemly; I'm also a guilty of doing the same. It seems the more The Church and It's obedient and couragous clergy are attacked, the more His precious body is revealed. On the issue of victim advocacy, that term has been so soiled by some individuals who destroy innocent men's reputation by making public accusations but make no reparations when they are wrong, as they so often are. I think to many of these victim advocacy group members who claim to have been abused need to work on their anger and guilt (if applicable), you don't  nuke a village hoping to kill a thief. Todd,
With many newer Bishops being named by our last 2 popes, maybe our Church will begin to heal from the damage done during the last 40 years or so. I agree with your take on arguments over who scourged Christ more deeply, it isn’t very seemly; I’m also a guilty of doing the same. It seems the more The Church and It’s obedient and couragous clergy are attacked, the more His precious body is revealed.

On the issue of victim advocacy, that term has been so soiled by some individuals who destroy innocent men’s reputation by making public accusations but make no reparations when they are wrong, as they so often are. I think to many of these victim advocacy group members who claim to have been abused need to work on their anger and guilt (if applicable), you don’t  nuke a village hoping to kill a thief.

]]> By: Todd http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2006/09/30/pope-played-a-leading-role-in-a-systematic-cover-up-of-child-sex-abuse-by-roman-catholic-priests/#comment-9798 Todd Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:53:38 +0000 http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/?p=826#comment-9798 Wall is unfamiliar to me, but Doyle is well-known in the US for victim advocacy. Sadly, it is also well-known that bishops continued to cover up for clergy abusers long after the issue was brought to the body of bishops at the USCCB. Getting into an argument over who scourged Christ more deeply (though given yesterday's conversation, I thought we were talking about the Bride) doesn't strike me as very seemly. The bishops have a lot of repair yet to do, and it seems that an extraordinary witness on their part will be needed to retire this story into history along with the other seamy aspects of the history of the hierarchy. Wall is unfamiliar to me, but Doyle is well-known in the US for victim advocacy. Sadly, it is also well-known that bishops continued to cover up for clergy abusers long after the issue was brought to the body of bishops at the USCCB. Getting into an argument over who scourged Christ more deeply (though given yesterday’s conversation, I thought we were talking about the Bride) doesn’t strike me as very seemly. The bishops have a lot of repair yet to do, and it seems that an extraordinary witness on their part will be needed to retire this story into history along with the other seamy aspects of the history of the hierarchy.

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