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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2006/04/01/saying-more-than-they-might-wish/comment-page-1/#comment-1074</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jody - are you familiar with Nominalism?  You seem to possess the erroneous Nominalist presuppositions about reality and the human person.  However, you can choose to ignore reality but there are nasty prices to pay in terms of physiological and affective dysfuction for doing so.

&lt;i&gt;Reeeeaaaaallllly? Do, do tell. &lt;/i&gt;

You might want to refer to a previous post where I compile a list of the plethora of secular studies (subsequent to the magical &quot;early 1970s&quot; date you wish to cling to by the way) that &quot;do tell.&quot;  Take a gander:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2005/07/23/it%e2%80%99s-not-so-%e2%80%9cgay%e2%80%9d-after-all/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s Not So Gay After All&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Again, starting with research conducted in the late 1970s, its been a consistent finding that mental illness and homosexuality arenâ€™t causal.&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting you choose such a date.  It wouldn&#039;t have to do with the APA&#039;s decision to capitulate to pressure and remove SSA from the list of disorders would it?  After this date, it is true that not many are looking for a correlation anymore (when the APA says it is unethical so to do) but there is still ample evidence as shown in the above link.

It appears by your less than congenial attitude that you may have an affective attachment to this issue.  If that is correct, eventually you or someone you care about will reach a point of crisis.  Just remember that there is hope.  Remember the apostolate Courage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jody &#8211; are you familiar with Nominalism?  You seem to possess the erroneous Nominalist presuppositions about reality and the human person.  However, you can choose to ignore reality but there are nasty prices to pay in terms of physiological and affective dysfuction for doing so.</p>
<p><i>Reeeeaaaaallllly? Do, do tell. </i></p>
<p>You might want to refer to a previous post where I compile a list of the plethora of secular studies (subsequent to the magical &#8220;early 1970s&#8221; date you wish to cling to by the way) that &#8220;do tell.&#8221;  Take a gander:<br />
<a href="http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2005/07/23/it%e2%80%99s-not-so-%e2%80%9cgay%e2%80%9d-after-all/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">It&#8217;s Not So Gay After All</a></p>
<p><i>Again, starting with research conducted in the late 1970s, its been a consistent finding that mental illness and homosexuality arenâ€™t causal.</i></p>
<p>Interesting you choose such a date.  It wouldn&#8217;t have to do with the APA&#8217;s decision to capitulate to pressure and remove SSA from the list of disorders would it?  After this date, it is true that not many are looking for a correlation anymore (when the APA says it is unethical so to do) but there is still ample evidence as shown in the above link.</p>
<p>It appears by your less than congenial attitude that you may have an affective attachment to this issue.  If that is correct, eventually you or someone you care about will reach a point of crisis.  Just remember that there is hope.  Remember the apostolate Courage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Homosexuality refers to the disorder of same sex attraction. &lt;/i&gt;

Okay. You can believe whatever you want. Free country. There&#039;s just no evidence to support you in that statement. The clinical evidence that links homosexuality with mental illness. 

&lt;i&gt;Transgender is a form of same sex attraction with its own special problems...&lt;/i&gt;

No, not really. Transgenderism deals with gender identity, not sexual orientation. Different concepts, different brain-structures too from what we can tell. Gay people, in general, don&#039;t believe they are physically the wrong gender. Transgendered individuals don&#039;t believe themselves to be gay. Your correlation is faulty.

&lt;i&gt; This is an assertion in contradiction to all of the available evidence. &lt;/i&gt;

Reeeeaaaaallllly? Do, do tell.

&lt;i&gt; It is in contradiction to the biological order...&lt;/i&gt;

Again, you are entitled to your superstition that assigns magical intent to the fall of leaf, or the ascent of sacred smoke.  Free country again. But your belief doesn&#039;t make it so. Nature doesn&#039;t have a &quot;purpose.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;...is evidenced by the plethora of medical ailments associated with sodomy. &lt;/i&gt;

Like your original posting, you are mixing terms and concepts up again. You&#039;ve taken a term for a sexual activity (and a pretty ambiguous term at that) and made it synonymous with  sexual orientation. Not the same thing.

&lt;i&gt;It is in contradiction to the psycho-spiritual order...&lt;/i&gt;

What about the spiritual-psycho order? Or the psycho-order spiritual? As long as we&#039;re making up nifty, though utterly meaningless, grandiose sounding terms, I need to make a list.

&lt;i&gt;as evidenced by the emotional and psychological disorders which are many times higher among those who submit to temptations associated with SSA than the general population.&lt;/i&gt;

Again, starting with research conducted in the late 1970s, its been a consistent finding that mental illness and homosexuality aren&#039;t causal. Neither forms the other. 

As with  many populations, such women, men, black, white, teens, elderly, poor, we can see differences, in mental health across the span, and correlated to a variety of issues. Only a tool would leap to the conclusion that this somehow means any of those groups is, as an inherent characteristic, &quot;ill.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Homosexuality refers to the disorder of same sex attraction. </i></p>
<p>Okay. You can believe whatever you want. Free country. There&#8217;s just no evidence to support you in that statement. The clinical evidence that links homosexuality with mental illness. </p>
<p><i>Transgender is a form of same sex attraction with its own special problems&#8230;</i></p>
<p>No, not really. Transgenderism deals with gender identity, not sexual orientation. Different concepts, different brain-structures too from what we can tell. Gay people, in general, don&#8217;t believe they are physically the wrong gender. Transgendered individuals don&#8217;t believe themselves to be gay. Your correlation is faulty.</p>
<p><i> This is an assertion in contradiction to all of the available evidence. </i></p>
<p>Reeeeaaaaallllly? Do, do tell.</p>
<p><i> It is in contradiction to the biological order&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Again, you are entitled to your superstition that assigns magical intent to the fall of leaf, or the ascent of sacred smoke.  Free country again. But your belief doesn&#8217;t make it so. Nature doesn&#8217;t have a &#8220;purpose.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8230;is evidenced by the plethora of medical ailments associated with sodomy. </i></p>
<p>Like your original posting, you are mixing terms and concepts up again. You&#8217;ve taken a term for a sexual activity (and a pretty ambiguous term at that) and made it synonymous with  sexual orientation. Not the same thing.</p>
<p><i>It is in contradiction to the psycho-spiritual order&#8230;</i></p>
<p>What about the spiritual-psycho order? Or the psycho-order spiritual? As long as we&#8217;re making up nifty, though utterly meaningless, grandiose sounding terms, I need to make a list.</p>
<p><i>as evidenced by the emotional and psychological disorders which are many times higher among those who submit to temptations associated with SSA than the general population.</i></p>
<p>Again, starting with research conducted in the late 1970s, its been a consistent finding that mental illness and homosexuality aren&#8217;t causal. Neither forms the other. </p>
<p>As with  many populations, such women, men, black, white, teens, elderly, poor, we can see differences, in mental health across the span, and correlated to a variety of issues. Only a tool would leap to the conclusion that this somehow means any of those groups is, as an inherent characteristic, &#8220;ill.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2006/04/01/saying-more-than-they-might-wish/comment-page-1/#comment-1072</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Errrâ€¦. â€œhomosexualâ€ and â€œtransgenderedâ€ are not the same thing. Suggesting that they are, then tying it to prostitution, is erroneous and, it seems, an act of willful ignorance.&lt;/i&gt;

Homosexuality refers to the disorder of same sex attraction.  Transgender is a form of same sex attraction with its own special problems.  Thus, this is not an inappropriate correlation.

&lt;i&gt;Oh, and just for reference, neither homosexuality nor being transgendered are â€œillnesses.â€ Thereâ€™s nothing to cure in either case.&lt;/i&gt;

This is an assertion in contradiction to all of the available evidence.  It is in contradiction to the biological order which is evidenced by the plethora of medical ailments associated with sodomy.  It is in contradiction to the psycho-spiritual order as evidenced by the emotional and psychological disorders which are many times higher among those who submit to temptations associated with SSA than the general population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Errrâ€¦. â€œhomosexualâ€ and â€œtransgenderedâ€ are not the same thing. Suggesting that they are, then tying it to prostitution, is erroneous and, it seems, an act of willful ignorance.</i></p>
<p>Homosexuality refers to the disorder of same sex attraction.  Transgender is a form of same sex attraction with its own special problems.  Thus, this is not an inappropriate correlation.</p>
<p><i>Oh, and just for reference, neither homosexuality nor being transgendered are â€œillnesses.â€ Thereâ€™s nothing to cure in either case.</i></p>
<p>This is an assertion in contradiction to all of the available evidence.  It is in contradiction to the biological order which is evidenced by the plethora of medical ailments associated with sodomy.  It is in contradiction to the psycho-spiritual order as evidenced by the emotional and psychological disorders which are many times higher among those who submit to temptations associated with SSA than the general population.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errr.... &quot;homosexual&quot; and &quot;transgendered&quot; are not the same thing. Suggesting that they are, then tying it to prostitution, is erroneous and, it seems, an act of willful ignorance. 

Oh, and just for reference, neither homosexuality nor being transgendered are &quot;illnesses.&quot; There&#039;s nothing to cure in either case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr&#8230;. &#8220;homosexual&#8221; and &#8220;transgendered&#8221; are not the same thing. Suggesting that they are, then tying it to prostitution, is erroneous and, it seems, an act of willful ignorance. </p>
<p>Oh, and just for reference, neither homosexuality nor being transgendered are &#8220;illnesses.&#8221; There&#8217;s nothing to cure in either case.</p>
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